this programme looks interesting as there might be similarities with the wtbts.
looks at people who have left the group.
it's on channel 4 at 9pm.
Watched it with the missus, those guys make us look like normal people!
I'm hoping the pretty half picked up on the points about dividing families and not tolerating any criticism of the leadership.. Both things we've talked about. Neither of which I felt I could point out last night as it would've perhaps been a bit obvious... She's astute, let's see if any dissonance sets in....
so after the district convention was over, i asked my wife what her overall impression was.
she said, "maybe something has changed, or maybe it's your influence that i see things differently now, but a lot of those talks sounded more threatening than anything.
not loving, not really hopeful, just threatening.
Great stuff, I hope my missus comes around the same way.... Congratulations!
following my first two posts i'd like again to say thank-you for the welcome i've received.
it's taken along time to feel that i could post.
i'd tried before, but the guilt of associating with those that god disapproved of was too much.
Thanks wizzstick for starting this thread, and thanks punk and jgnat for your advices, i respect what you guys say, and I plan to out it into practice someday...
this district assembly talk is so bad it a shame that no one is allowed to get up boo it, or voice anything negative about it, they have a captive audience of heads noding yes and claps of approval and agreement with every word or else.. it would liven up things if a group spread out in a stadium and started yelling "hate speech hate speech!
" .
Or how about a mass texting of all the jws in our phones?
Simple message, "Jesus said to love our enemies etc" sent from an anonymous number during the talk?
It'd take some organising and some burner phones!
And we'd have to include ourselves on the lists to not arouse suspicion...
so here you are...sitting with a couple of elders at judicial meeting, and you're asked the following question:.
"do you still believe that the fds is the channel that jehovah is using"?.
now is it possible to answer 'no' without being df, or how would you answer that question?.
I'm with skinnedsheep, ive been going over it in my mind and I think I would simply play the doubt card. Remember, scripturally, doubters are supposed to be shown tender care and thusly be 'snatched out of the fire.'
If you include words like sincerely and prayerfully, I'd hope that'd work. Hope.
could only just quickly scan it.
still trying to 'duck' out of 1914.. in a similar way, at the beginning.
of the 20th century, there were a number.
Sd-7 - you are a HOOT sir!
Good work above, your diatribes are always well thought out and much appreciated...
i have been pondering over the demands made by the governing body for absolute loyalty and unquestioning obedience to their interpretation of scripture.
is this a reasonable request and is it in line with scripture?
alternatively is there in fact a scriptural defence for taking personal responsibility for beliefs and having a questioning attitude when being told what is to be believed.. there are ample scriptural warnings about trusting in men psalm 146 v 3 warns us not to put our trust in nobles or earthly men and galatians 1 v 8 goes even further stating that even if an angel were to preach to us something contrary to the teachings of christ it should be ignored.
Thanks for putting it so concisely, there are so many points in this that I want to digest, i just know that if I was questioned about my feelings on the matter there's NO WAY I'd be able to put it across so fluently, so eloquently, so reasonably.
Nice one!
i've just published on my website a new article: the "sign of the last days" and 2 timothy 3:1-5 (click to visit).
it contains a critical analysis of the context of 2 timothy 3:1-5 and a refutation of the connection with matthew 24:3, and therefore, of the expression "sign" + "last days".. the article is divided in the following parts:.
introductionthe composite nature of the expression "sign of the last days"the context of 2 timothy 3:1-5the message of 2 timothy 3:1-5two fallacies about the "last days"conclusiondue to its lenght, i won't post it in full here, only the introduction:.
I'll jump on THAT bandwagon - marked!
this is vague but i was wondering if anyone has heard about the word "change" being used lately in jw circles?
my brother (an elder and devout jw) used it in an e-mail a couple of months ago and it seemed odd.
he said, "you like change".
I had a conversation with a young elder last month about the pharisaical legalism, man made laws, and how it doesn't seem to be what Jesus was all about, and he not only agreed but said there are many who feel the same. He reckoned as the old school of elders retire and pass away, the younger new breed would instigate change from the bottom up.
I was kinda gobsmacked, ive been closely listening to his comments after that, but I'm sure he doesn't know ttatt, hes just an idealist working on the inside..
So it seems some feel there's need for change, but like many of us it can't be vocalised...
You're welcome..
It's all my doing you know.
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